Moving from a place of stability and happiness and connectedness,

like you're actually choosing to move forward from those things

instead of changing from trauma or pain or drama,

trying to be comfortable changing when nothing seemingly is wrong.

It's really hard to do, but I think the more that you do that

and the more that you can kind of step into those scary spaces,

the growth that you can find in doing that is pretty massive.

I'm going to do that.

Woo Let me let it out, let it to Let It Out with me, Katie Dilbao.

Last few episodes of the year, and we're going out with a bang.

My really dear friends, Erin Loval Verinder and Noah Chekull, are back on the podcast.

They've been on before, which we mentioned a little bit in this episode.

But Aaron is an herbalist and a nutritionist, an energetic healer, and a writer, an author.

Her newest book just came out, The Plant Clinic, and you might know her

from her previous book, Plants for the People, which we spoke about. She's actually been on three

times. Erin and I had a conversation just her and I when I was in Australia staying with them.

She's trained in America and Australia and has spent more than 18 years working

with plants and natural medicine and she's truly wonderful. And through her, I met her husband,

Noah, a fellow plant enthusiast and animal enthusiast. Someone who I think has a connection with earth and beings,

including animals more so than anyone that I know. They have two dogs who I really,

really love. And Noah like me is from Michigan and one of my favorite people in the world.

And he is a prolific designer

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