Sora 2, AI Actors, and How Hollywood Can Fight Back

The Town with Matthew Belloni

The Ringer

Society & Culture

4.3 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 2 October 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Matt is joined by SAG-AFTRA national executive director Duncan Crabtree-Ireland to discuss OpenAI’s new app, Sora 2, an AI video tool and video-sharing app, and the problems it presents for Hollywood. They discuss how this product can threaten the legitimacy of image and likeness rights and infringe on intellectual property and why Hollywood isn't suing OpenAI immediately. They dive into what is allowed to be used to train AI models vs. what is allowed to be posted on apps like Sora, the opt-in vs. opt-out system, how actors can protect themselves, and what's really at stake here (03:15). They also discuss Tilly Norwood, the so-called “AI actress” that sparked outrage over the last week (28:23). For a 20 percent discount on Matt’s Hollywood insider newsletter, ‘What I’m Hearing ...,’ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us your thoughts! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thetown@spotify.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Host: Matt Belloni Guest: Duncan Crabtree-Ireland Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Theme Song: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi everyone, it's Amy Polar, and I'm launching a new podcast called Good Hang.
0:05.1	In preparation for that, I asked some of my friends to send in some videos and give me some advice.
0:10.6	Just be yourself, and the guests will come.
0:13.1	Don't be the celebrity that this is their, like, sixth thing they're doing.
0:16.0	I love true crime and cooking podcasts. Is there any way you could combine the two?
0:21.4	Well, everyone has an opinion and a podcast.
0:24.5	So, join me for good hang.
0:26.6	It's rough out there.
0:27.8	We're just trying to lighten it up a little.
0:31.9	It is Thursday, October 2nd.
0:34.5	Have you checked out the latest update to SORA?
0:39.7	That's the OpenAI video tool that's been incorporated into a new video sharing app, and it is quite something. Sound and video together,
0:45.7	characters who talk and move much more realistically, and a whole lot of pretty blatant copyright
0:51.6	infringement. I played around on the app this week and made my own versions of Wednesday
0:55.8	Adams and Peter Griffin from Family Guy trading jokes at dinner,
0:59.7	Cartman from South Park saying that you can't handle the truth monologue from a few good men,
1:04.1	a bunch more.
1:05.2	Some characters were blocked by the app.
1:07.1	I asked for a video of Batman and Yoda riding a motorcycle together,
1:10.7	and that was a so-called
1:11.8	content violation. But many others were not. And the ease that I was able to make my own
1:17.6	mini versions of shows that Hollywood studios have put millions of dollars into creating and protecting
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