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The Town with Matthew Belloni

The 'Smashing Machine’ Bomb and A24’s Big-Budget Burden

The Town with Matthew Belloni

The Ringer

Society & Culture

4.31.1K Ratings

🗓️ 6 October 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Matt and Bloomberg’s Lucas Shaw use the disappointing box office performance for A24’s sports drama ‘The Smashing Machine’ with Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson to examine the current state of A24, the difficulty of living up to its sky-high valuation, and the natural life cycle of a growing indie movie studio (03:04). Matt finishes the show with a prediction about the new cast of 'SNL' (25:20). For a 20 percent discount on Matt’s Hollywood insider newsletter, ‘What I’m Hearing ...,’ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us your thoughts! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thetown@spotify.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Host: Matt Belloni Guest: Lucas Shaw Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Theme Song: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:36.1

It is Monday, October 6th.

0:38.3

There are many meaningful brands for a movie studio.

0:41.3

After all, what does it mean to be a Warner Brothers movie or Paramount or Lionsgate?

0:46.3

But you hear A-24 and you kind of know what it's going to be.

0:49.3

Quality, boundary pushing, cool even.

0:52.3

For more than a decade, A-24 has built a brand as the studio that releases the indie movies at,

0:58.0

if you care about such things, people you know are talking about.

1:01.5

They've had two best picture winners, Moonlight and everything everywhere all at once,

1:05.7

and they've cultivated a hip New York image complete with the viral marketing stunts,

1:09.9

the logo hats.

1:14.3

They just bought a performance space in the West Village and they're opening a restaurant.

1:16.6

But that's kind of changing.

1:21.4

In reality, as we've discussed on the show, 824 has always been a private equity play.

1:25.4

Initially backed by Guggenheim Partners, where co-founder Daniel Katz worked,

1:28.7

it's raised millions from institutional investors a few times over the years, launched its own production studio and TV division. Got backing from Josh

1:34.4

Kushner and Thrive Capital a few years ago. That gave the company a $3.5 billion valuation last

1:40.5

year. That was up 40% from a 2022 raised by investment firm Stripes. And with that new money

1:47.0

has come a slightly new and different mandate, namely bigger movies, more produced in-house,

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