You're listening to the CyberWire Network, powered by N2K. Hello and welcome to Spycast from the Secret Files of the International Spy Museum in Washington, D.C.

I'm Peter Ernest, the Executive Director of the Museum. I served for some

36 years in the Central Intelligence Agency, largely as what is called an operations officer

or a case officer.

Every month will be bringing you interesting talks with visitors, with authors,

with others who have something to do with the world of intelligence and espionage.

Today we have a very unusual guest accompanied by another very unusual guest

and I think I would like our guest to tell you about himself as we start out.

First of all let me ask you your name.

My name is Musab Hassan Youssef. This is my real name. Today I'm known in America as Joseph. I go by Joseph among my friends and people who don't know me or my

background. In the past I had a cod name the Green Prince and that was limited to the

Shimbit the Israeli Intelligence service. Green because of the color of Islam and the prince for being the son of top Hamas.

Okay, we've covered a lot of ground right there. So let me explain just

something to our listeners. You in fact were a young man, the son of a very prominent Hamas leader.

And you at some point in your journey, as it were,

were, chose to cooperate with the Israeli Intelligence Service, the Shin Bet,

and you also went another under went another transformation in your life, and that is that you actually

rejected Islam and became a Christian. These are all very interesting

facets of your life but before we go on, let me just introduce your colleague.

I wonder if you could just say something about yourself and your name.

Yeah, my name is Ghan.

I was known in the Shin Bet as Captain Luy.

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