All right, what's up? How's everybody doing? Welcome back. Usually, this is a show where I interview other people, as you probably know. But this week, it's opposite day. I'm being interviewed by my friend, the host of the new show late to the party, Sophie, who you'll hear momentarily interviewing me at her

house about a month ago. We met a dinner party through our friend Stella, who we mentioned in this.

And if you've been listening for a long time and you know me well you're about to know more a lot more

information about what happened the last several years and how i've been thinking about evolving

and where i'm at now i say this to to Sophie during the conversation, but this interview felt so cathartic and

helpful to me.

And I really am grateful that she not only invited me on, but allowed for such a winding, meandering conversation

that let me articulate how I've been thinking about the past several years and processing

that publicly with her and now with you and then with friends and people in my life

listening to it because it's been out for a bit on her feed has actually been really moving to me.

And I think, I don't know if you feel this way and please tell me if you do but

sometimes for me you know you can be honest with yourself and and in your journal you know kind of

make sense of everything and process it there and that's thing, but I think sharing it with other people

brings another layer.

And an even stranger thing that I have come to realize

is that there are some things that I have to publicly process.

I guess that's the only word for it. There was something quite helpful about

this of me knowing that you were going to be there, knowing that there were going to be people

listening, because I think my tendency, if I'm talking to a friend or a therapist, and I can

just open up and kind of go into this, like, well, everything is, this is how it is, and it's really bad. And, uh, and kind of go into this like, well, everything is, this is how it is, and it's really bad.

And kind of making a show of it and sort of self-deprecating and just really like going down

the rabbit hole.

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