Hello typology friends. Welcome back to the podcast on which we explore the mystery of the human adventure and the human personality through the lens of the aneogram.

As always, I'm joined by my dear friend Anthony Skinner.

Hello. Good to be with you today. Great to be with you, Anthony. And our new friend Jessica Chen, she is an enneagram three.

She has just learned that she's an enneagram three.

She has also written this marvelous book called Smart, Not Loud, How to Get Noticed at Work for All the Right Reasons.

Now, listen up, everybody.

If you are a four, five, six, or nine, you need to

hear this show. This show is going to be really important for you if you are a four, five, six, or nine.

But it's going to be important for all eneagram types because we want to understand each other as well

as ourselves. So be really listening in on this. Oh, by the way, if you're a self-press

three, this is a great show for you. I think it's going to be really, really great. Jessica,

welcome to typology. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

Okay, so you just learned about the anagram. You've been in the corporate world forever. You've

probably taken Strengths Finders, Disc, Myers, Briggs, Berkman, you've taken all the

different personality assessments.

What was your initial reaction to learning that you were a three and to the description

of it?

To be honest, it was kind of a mixed emotion kind of thing.

I was reading the analysis that came out afterwards, and, you know, the analysis that came out afterwards and, you know,

three is basically you're an achiever, right? And so immediately I was like, yeah, absolutely.

That sounds right in terms of kind of like how I go about things, how I, you know, think about work and

even like why I do the work that I do. But then, of course, part of it is also that you kind of realize what are some of the

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