Hollywood works for Black Rock, Vanguard, and State Street, you know, and it's like, and those three people, you know, who else works for them is the U.S. government. It's a massive fiat system.

What do you think about the ethics? Do you think being a real estate entrepreneur or mogul is unethical?

The homelessness problem is a money printing problem is because of the inflation, the

taxation. Like, what's a property tax for? Like, well, is that what the government tells you that

you have property? That's really what it's for so that the courts and the system can tell you

that it's yours, but it never is. It's the banks. And so you're on this hamster wheel, on this

proverbial treadmill that the Truman show that is the

world, the fiat world we live in, puts us in.

You know, I think we need to hear a little bit how you go from producing in Hollywood to

being a Bitcoin evangelist.

So the, so here's the short story and then jump into whatever you want. So I studied business.

I didn't know what I wanted to do with that because I've been, I'm an LA native. I've been in LA my whole life. It's like I knew lots of actors. I knew lots of, you know, producers and I knew that Hollywood was a big industry here. So I used my business skills to jump into Hollywood, raise money. So I didn't work my way up like a lot of people do. I just started off as a producer. I jumped out of college. I raised a bunch of money and I started producing. So I learned it that way as a business. It was like, I have to raise this money. I got to sell to these 188 countries, you know, do pre-sales, put it together, put actors on the poster, you know, sell off all the distribution rights. And it worked for me as a businessman. The problem was that I was

missing a lot of creativity. And I also learned that a lot of movies don't make money. And a lot of

people in Hollywood are sort of like, it's kind of like a traveling circus. You know,

you'll make really good money, but then what do you do for the next six months? What happens if your TV show doesn't get picked up? What happens if the movie you just set up? You know, the option expires, meaning they don't, you know, buy your project or fund your project. And, I mean, it's a proof of stake system. It really is broken in that sense. It's the people that can come into Hollywood with money get to write all the rules. They get to tell their stories. And I didn't learn that until a little bit later. But I was looking for ways to secure the money that I would make when I would get my movies made. I made about 20 feature films all independently, all like three to five million range doing the Sundance can thing and all of that, getting some accolades. And then I would get them distributed by the studios like Universal Warner Brothers, whoever. But because I was doing it from a business, I could actually make money. It wasn't just a paycheck. But it didn't last long. So that's when I, you know, in hindsight, now that I'm a Bitcoin, I realize I was always looking for a store of value for that money, as a lot of people in Hollywood are and they don't know where to turn. So almost everybody turns to real estate. And that's where I turned. I didn't know a thing about real estate. But I thought, okay, this is what you're supposed to do, right? And we sort of get programmed growing up, you know, from parents and uncles and people like, oh, real estate, that's solid. They're not making any more of it. You know, it's tangible, get into real estate. And so I did what I could learning these late night courses, started getting licenses. I formed a mortgage company. And I had to form a mortgage company because I couldn't even get a mortgage because in Hollywood, we don't have W-2s. No one in Hollywood has W-2s, and there can be people making a million bucks a year and they still can't get a house. Because all the mortgage companies want is to, you know, mortgage really is just a loan against your future income. They don't care what your assets are or how much money you can make. And they also know you might lose out on your show. You could get canceled, right? It's Hollywood.

So I formed the mortgage company so I could get mortgages and all my friends. And I still run it.

It's still kind of like a side hobby thing. But a lot of people in Hollywood use it because I can

help rewrite that narrative of how people in Hollywood make money for the banks.

So I got deep into real estate, flipping homes, having a bunch of rentals, then got into commercial

real estate, storage units. I then started an Airbnb business, had Airbnb businesses in Nashville,

Austin, Palm Springs, Joshua Tree, like all the like hipster places that I thought would do well.

I was doing my rentals and mostly college towns because I thought that would do great like Austin and Chicago and, you know, if you have students, I figure you're always going to get, you know, someone to rent out to.

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