Welcome to Untangle, the podcast from Muse, the brain sensing headband that helps you meditate and 5-star app meditation studio.

I'm Patricia Carpus, your host along with my co-host this week, Muse co-founder, Ariel Garten.

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We're thinking of all of you and wishing you the very best. Now on to today's

episode with Ariel. This week, I have a special guest, Cea Bulella Mandela, who is the great

grandson of Nelson Mandela. See Aubella is a PhD in Peace and Conflict Studies and continues his grandfather's legacy of advocating

for human rights and shares his perspective on the systemic nature of racism with us.

He recently wrote a chapter in the book, For the Sake of Peace, African Perspectives on Racism,

Justice, and Peace in America.

Cibolilla will also share with us his perspective on what we can each do to decolonize our

own minds and the lessons that he learned from his grandfather's character.

He speaks to us today from South Sudan, where he works.

Welcome, S Bulele.

Thank you very much, Ariel, for having me, and thank you to your listeners for joining us.

It is my sincere pleasure and honor.

I would love to begin with you telling us a little bit about your own story and the inspiration

for your current work.

Thank you very much, Ariel, once again. I grew up in a

family that was highly politicized and I was shaped by the history of the family in so far as

its involvement in the struggle against the apartheid regime and colonialism in South Africa and in

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