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Visit Hello Fresh.com and enter a Serious Pod 30. You're listening to serious inquiries only. I'm your host Thomas Smith, and today I am very pleased to bring you an interview with Dr. Christie Winters about a topic that I know will be near and dear to our hearts, which is the rise of the nuns,

N-O-N-E-S.

Christie has been studying the data on this, and there's some questions that she's here to explore

and answer, and one of them I have

which is you often hear the group the nuns being one of the largest rising groups

there is but does that mean atheism is on the rise? Well I don't know not necessarily

so we're going to explore those issues and more in this conversation about the rise of

nuns in America.

Here you go.

Hey Christy, welcome back to the show.

It's so great to be back and I'm really happy to be here.

So thanks for inviting me.

Oh, I'm very happy to have you.

And I'm really interested to hear what you're working on. You've been doing some work

exploring the rise of religious nuns is that right?

That's correct so I pitched this idea to you because I find this work really fascinating but I find a hard time finding other people who will listen to me talk about.

And it's so funny because every time I say it, I'm like, people are going to think I'm saying nuns, like NUN.

There's no, I need to pronounce it like n nuns or something.

I need a better pronunciation.

Yes, that's true.

That's problem with the term itself because people, when you talk about religiousness and

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