Hello and welcome to the midpoint. Today, something a bit different. I heard our guest speaking at a longevity forum in London.

And while the other speakers talked about building muscle, eating Mediterranean diets and other very useful science-backed ways to live better for longer,

Shan Sutherland came on stage and quite bluntly told us how our

overuse of plastics was pretty much killing our species as much as it was the planet. And yet,

she did it in a way that wasn't preachy or shaming. She called herself a plastic sinner. And let's face it,

we all are. We know we are, but we don't know what to do about it because we go into the supermarket

and everything is covered. We can't all live off grid and we don't know what to do about it because we go into the supermarket and everything is covered.

We can't all live off grid and we can't all wear hemp.

But forget the obvious plastics.

It's the stuff you can't see which Sean told us is causing more problems for the human race.

Shan is an entrepreneur who previously started a beauty brand.

So co-starting Plastic Planet in 2016 was definitely a gear change. But she is

pro-business, pro-science and pro-solutions. She's positive and I think you'll enjoy what she has to say.

Welcome to the midpoint, Sean Sutherland. I'm so thrilled that so quickly after I described in the introduction, I saw you speaking at a longevity forum. I've been able to persuade you onto the midpoint.

Oh, thank you. It was all meant to be. I mean, here we are. You're in Soho. I'm in Soho.

I know. You were 50 yards down the road, apparently, when I said to you, not when I said to you, but I said where it was.

You said, yeah, I'm round the corners. And it did feel like that when I was listening to you that I, I wanted you to come on and talk to our listeners about the content of, you know, your speech the other day. Because if you say to somebody, oh, I've got somebody coming on who wants to rid the world of plastic, you might think that's going to to be pretty preachy. Yeah, exactly. And so let's go back because you are clearly a formidable woman, a persuasive woman. It feels to me like the energy that came from you on the stage. So your business career, you described yourself as a serial entrepreneur. Was it ever thus that you had this kind of passion, whatever you did, that you were able to persuade people to move mountains?

I think if there's any red thread that connects all the different businesses I've been involved in as an entrepreneur,

it's probably bringing people together and building a team.

And even though most of them have been commercial endeavours,

I think it's looking at things as a kind of movement build

versus I'm just selling people stuff.

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