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Hello and welcome to the political party. Today's guest is the first Minister of Wales, Mark

Drakeford. And he's brilliant to talk to the leader of a country anyway, but to talk

to the leader of a country at a time when they're managing this crisis was absolutely fascinating

to talk to someone who's making the decisions, who's the top person making the decisions

in Wales is great. So there's loads of detail about the Welsh Government's response to

the coronavirus. There's some really good stuff about Welsh politics and Welsh Labour politics.

And this is about the implications of the crisis in a personal, in a political, in a pragmatic

way. It's about all the different strands that being a leader of a country involves at

a time like this. I began by asking Mark what it was like for him having to lead a country

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