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Hello and welcome to the political party. Today's guest is David from senior editor at the

Atlantic and former speech writer to George W. Bush. It was David who coined the phrase

the axis of evil and we talk about that later in the interview as well as what it was

like to work in the White House for W. Bush. David has a new book out called Trumpocalypse

which follows on from Trumpocracy, one of his books that you may have read. So we talk

about that. But obviously this book is being released at a time when the phrase Trump

ocalypse could not be more appropriate. So I began by asking him, is the Trumpocalypse

we're now living through different to the one that he originally envisioned?

Well when I wrote the book that became Trumpocalypse and it's the second of two part sequence

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