One thing I was interested in is like, so obviously you have like a main, the main gain approach to building muscle.

Like in general, if you're a natural, you know, your time horizon or whatever for how long you want to build that muscle could be spread out over such a long span of time because you're just like 10 plus years for sure yeah for a guy who's

using anabolic's though would you still advise the same amount of a same main gain very

conservative approach to gaining like lean weight given that you're confined to like 12 or 16 weeks

of exposure.

So it's like with a guy who's natural, he could theoretically main gain slash gain muscle

for an entire year straight and not have to worry about periods of time where he's not able

to gain muscle all of a sudden.

Whereas for a guy who's using anabolic, he has 12 weeks to make the most of the drugs in his body.

Should he be eating differently than the guy who's natural, like in terms of the amount of that surplus, that, you know, little main gain amount?

Would you still have him go as conservative as a guy who's natural?

Or would you have him like push the calories a bit harder given that he has a confined

window to gain like as much muscle as possible in 12 weeks and then he's not going to gain

shit for 12 weeks after that?

I think what we're assuming is that they're going to do 12 weeks.

I think the reality is that like I would say 90% of people that are doing these cycles

aren't actually going off.

I like from my experience and seeing other people, they're doing that 12 weeks. And then they're

like, I'll extend it another four weeks. And then they come off and buy off. That's 750

milligrams of test a week. That's their off. So when we say should you maximize it during that

12 weeks time because you don't have that opportunity after

I think most people are trying to maximize it all the time I think once people go on steroids for

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