There's so much of a limitation on what exactly the PDs can do. I think people are overestimating

just how amazing they are. I mean, for some people with that like the genetics to really absorb

the PD, they can grow more than others. So people are just thinking, well, I know that one example,

but they're seeing all the prime examples on YouTube that have the best transformation.

So that's what they expect.

And then when they take PDs, they're extremely disappointed for the most part.

Yeah.

One thing I've noticed is definitely a difference between some individuals, they have like a great

natural physique and they can develop a great natural physique just based on genetics.

They have good muscle building genetics, just endogenous testosterone production.

But then when they take PEDs, they don't necessarily explode, even if they, you know,

crank their faces off for years on end.

They might, like I imagine this results in men's physique pros a lot of the time.

It's guys who wanted to be bodybuilders, but couldn't break that barrier. And then, you know, they ended up becoming men's physique pros a lot of the time. It's guys who wanted to be bodybuilders, but couldn't break

that barrier. And then, you know, they ended up becoming men's physique pros. Like, some of them,

perhaps are conservative with their dosages and they're just, you know, not letting themselves

get too crazy. But I imagine nobody's... Not many. Yeah, I imagine, I imagine nobody is trying to

intentionally not see their potential. So, right. Like, I imagine, I imagine nobody is trying to intentionally not see their potential.

So, like in your experience, do you see most genetic, like how, what proportion of people

do you see that are not good natural genetics, but then explode from steroids versus

guys that looked good as naturals, are those the guys that typically end up at the top?

Or are they individuals like Nick Walker who looked like nothing and then just hyper respond

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