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Should The S&P 500 Go Higher?

Money Tree Investing

Money Tree Investing Podcast

Stockmarket, Valuestocks, Investing, Finance, Passiveincome, Wealth, Business, Personalfinance

4.6658 Ratings

🗓️ 12 November 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Should the S&P go higher? Today we discuss that and more in this wide-ranging episode. We talk the markets, and warn that investors often cling to bad positions instead of reassessing when wrong, noting that current valuations are stretched and the market appears overextended. There is rising corporate caution during earnings season, weak performance among consumer staples and cyclicals, and the growing dominance of the "Magnificent Seven" tech stocks in driving the S&P 500's gains. AI-related capital expenditures and record margin debt levels suggest heightened risk, so you should remain defensive and patient as market conditions soften despite entering a historically strong seasonal period.

We discuss... 

  • New York City's election of a socialist-leaning mayor and question how it might impact the city's historically capitalist foundation.
  • Drawing a parallel to investing, we stress the need to reassess assumptions when investments go against you instead of clinging to them.
  • The current market is overextended, with valuations significantly above historical trends and a concentration in a few large tech stocks.
  • Consumer cyclicals and staples, normally defensive areas, have underperformed, suggesting caution for risk-averse investors.
  • The "Magnificent Seven" tech stocks are disproportionately driving the S&P 500's performance, masking weakness in the broader market.
  • AI-related capital expenditures are rising sharply, but returns on these investments remain minimal, highlighting potential overhype.
  • Margin debt has reached record levels, indicating elevated risk if market sentiment shifts.
  • Earnings season shows that even companies beating expectations may see stock declines, signaling that much of the positive news is already priced in.
  • Weak market breadth—many stocks declining while a few outperform—indicates fragility and higher potential volatility.
  • While a correction is possible, seasonal trends historically make late November through January a strong period for markets.
  • Inflation is picking up modestly, while interest rates are being lowered, creating a complex environment for fixed-income investors.
  • Private credit and real estate markets are showing early signs of stress, particularly as products are increasingly marketed to retail investors.
  • Investors are advised to watch for opportunities in mispriced assets but remain cautious due to market overvaluation and potential downside risks.
  • Overall, the discussion emphasizes patience, caution, and careful risk management amid uncertainty in politics, markets, and emerging technologies.

 

Today's Panelists:

Kirk Chisholm | Innovative Wealth
Douglas Heagren | Mergent College Advisors

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Money Tree Investing podcast.

0:04.8

Stock market, wealth, personal finance, value stocks, invest in your life.

0:11.5

Hello, Smart Money Tree podcast listeners.

0:13.2

Welcome to this week's show.

0:14.2

My name's Kirk Chisholm.

0:15.2

I'll be your host.

0:15.9

And today I'm joining with Doug Higran.

0:17.6

Hey, Doug.

0:18.3

Hey, Kirk.

0:18.9

Happy Friday.

0:20.3

Happy Friday. It's been an interesting week this

0:23.1

week. Had a lot going on. I don't even know where to begin. Certainly, earnings season has been

0:29.7

mixed. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I want to talk about earnings a little bit because there's some stuff

0:35.4

going on. I think people should understand. But I'm scratching my head about New York, Doug. I mean, they elected a mayor that's

0:43.4

a socialist or whatever you want to call him. He's clearly got different opinions than that

0:48.7

city was founded on capitalism. So I'm a bit curious where that's all going. Yeah, I got an

0:54.0

interesting comment from

0:55.0

someone who actually lives in New York City now, a friend of mine that I grew up with. I'll kind of

1:01.5

talk about, you know, what he had to say. So. Yeah, I mean, we could talk about it more. I'm,

1:06.4

I'm just kind of scratching my head. You know, New York is like the center of capitalism and of the world in many

1:12.6

ways. But it's also, it's fallen quite a bit since COVID. People are leaving. Companies have been

1:20.0

leaving for a while. In my opinion, I think a lot of people that want to try stupid ideas should have their chance so that we can all learn what not to do, right?

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