Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survival,

will we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Joel Waltman.

What's up, S.S. Nation and welcome to another episode of Surviving The Survivor,

the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guess in all of true crime and today we are achieving new heights with

our panels it is not just a tagline it is our reality I'm about to introduce our esteemed guests as I try to

focus my camera in there which is unfocusing on me it's all about the Menendez brothers tonight

real quickly though It's all about the Menendez brothers tonight.

Real quickly though, my apologies, because when it rains, it pours, I told you that I told the

COE that if I come to Orlando where I am to cover the Saraboon trial that all hell

would break loose and it has broken loose and just moments ago Tim Janssen received Charlie Adelson's appeal.

So as soon as this show is over, we are going to continue on with Tim, and it's a crazy world, I am gonna be on court TV tonight at 930

But I have to be there at 920

So we're gonna do this show and then we're going to have Tim breakdown Charlie's appeal and Space Coast and I just decided this and that is the reason for the delay.

Without further ado, I'm just going to introduce a guests and we're going to hop right into it.

Dr. Anne Burgess, not much more you can say about her than she is a living legend legend a friend of the show

which we are grateful for a guest on here fairly often

she's the author of a killer by design

among her many awards and accolades in 2016.

The reason she's known as a legend is she was literally named a living legend

by the American Academy of Nursing.

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