in every institution that we believed would be institutions that could resist and save us from going down the authoritarian rabbit hole, we have seen culture eat courage.

We have seen culture eat integrity.

We have seen culture eat ethics.

And that is true at the Supreme Court as well.

And so the resetting that we have to do is like, it's got to come down to the studs.

And we have to be having serious conversations now about what we want to see on the other side.

When the history of this time is written, that history may very well say that the people,

the ordinary people living in places like Minneapolis and Chicago and Portland,

everywhere really, are the reason that our country dodged the autocratic abyss.

But standing right there next to the people are the heroes,

the advocates and the activists and the lawyers who have stood on the front lines in this fight

for our democracy for decades now. And chief among them is this week's guest, Cherylyn Eiffel.

Sherilyn calls herself a democracy warrior and she walks a walk like none other,

the former head of the storied civil rights organization, the NWACP Legal Defense Fund,

and currently the founding director of the 14th Amendment Center for Law and Democracy at Howard

University. We call on Sherilyn whenever there is news, whenever there's any kind of news,

but especially when there's news made about voting rights, about civil rights, about this Supreme

Court, you name it. So without any further ado, this is the best people, and this is Sherilyn

Eiffel. Thank you so much for being here. I'm thrilled to be with you, Nicole. I asked you before we started

rolling if we were going to make it. And I guess more than anything else, that's the question that

keeps me up at night. What do you think? Way to go to start with a small question,

Nicole. I know. I was a terrible first date, right? You know, I was like, you know, how many kids do you want?

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