the healthier everyone along the entire scale gets, the better for our society. And we can do it in a way

that is not narcissistic, that is not just for the rich people. And it's not trying to sell you a solution

that's going to add a second to your life, or are you going to have a better life the time you live

here? And that's what's critical to me.

Hi there, everyone. Today's guest is someone who has her hands in everything that matters.

Media, tech. Real pull-no punches journalism about the threats to our country and our democracy.

She's the rare truth teller in a moment when just about everything feels couched and edited for some version of self-preservation. Her upcoming series, Karas Wisher,

wants to live forever, is superb. It dives into the often opaque, fascinating, seemingly faraway

world of wellness and longevity along the way it tackles one of our world's

biggest questions. What does it mean to have a fulfilling life anyway? When she's not dealing

with that, she's busy decoding the wild, wild world of tech and tech pros and explaining

how business intersects with this political moment and our culture for the rest of us on her award-winning podcast, Pivot and on with Kara Swisher.

She was gracious enough to join me on this podcast when it first started, and she gave me tons of advice that I apply every single week.

She's been cheering and supporting the best people since before it started.

We are so lucky to have back with us, Kara Swisher, without any further ado. This is the best people,

and this is Kara Swisher.

Thank you so much. Here is Kara Swisher. She's fantastic, she's fantastic. She's amazing. Wow. He's amazing.

I'd like to meet her.

We quote you all the time though, because you've said this thing to me, but I think of all the time. Which is? Your podcast listeners have you in their ears. That's right. So much more intimate. Absolutely. for a social relationship.

And you explain that like when people come up to you

and they've seen you on TV,

they still want to talk to you,

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