Even if we wanted to, there's just no getting back to the pre-Trump era.

Now, I personally wouldn't want to because I think there was a great deal of inertia there,

which is what people I think were responding to when they elected them.

Twice.

However, right?

So it's not that that was the Shangri law.

You know, Kansas were being kicked down the road that we're

addressing now. But at the same time, we have to chart a different path forward because I think

I was listening to somebody the other day who said he's really good at identifying the problems.

He's really bad at creating any solutions. So, I mean, just makes everything worse.

In an era that all too often feels defined these days by grift and scandal and the tearing down of expertise and basic lack of respect for public service and public servants, our guests this week proves there is indeed another way.

She has spent her entire life serving our country, first as a Navy helicopter pilot,

then as a federal prosecutor, a member of Congress, and now as a big state governor.

In the last few years, she just may have given the Democratic Party a possible roadmap

to beating Donald Trump and the Republican Party at their own game.

So this is the best people,

and this is New Jersey's governor, Mikey Sherrill. Thank you for being here, Governor.

Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it. So I remember on Election Day asking about your race and asking about your friend, now governor

Abigail Spamberger's race, and people said, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know if, I don't

know if Cheryl's going to make it. I said, really? She's ahead in the polls.

I feel like you have been underestimated at every turn.

Is that a New Jersey thing?

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