Hello there. This is Mark Bauerline with another conversation. Before we get to it, a word about one of our sponsors.

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higher education at Wyoming Catholic.edu. Our guest today is Lee Ozer,

who is Professor of English and Catholic Studies

at the College of the Holy Cross.

His scholarly books include T.S. Eliot,

an American poetry,

and the ethics of modernism,

moral ideas in Yates, Elliot,

Joyce, Wolf, and Beckett.

He's a novelist, too. The books

including out of what chaos, Oregon confetti, and a new one, old enemies, which I have

sitting on my bedside table. I'm going to start when I get back from New York City.

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