You are listening to Under the Skin with Me Russell Brand this week.

Underskin from Loominary, by the way.

They're the people that keep this thing going.

Without Loominary, there is no bloody podcast,

or there might be, but it won't be very reliable because it's not going to be well organised

It's not going to be properly financed bear you are not eating those cupcakes well done demyar

It's demyar's demyar's birthday. Let's register that maybe one day in the future you won't be 24 anymore. I mean that's a certainty in fact and

and you'll listen back to this and it. Oh my God I was 24 and I thought I was 24 and I was old.

So this is a episode of Underskin with Seth Abramson.

Seth is an American professor, attorney, author, and political columnist.

At one point in the podcast he listed all the things he's done for a job.

I nearly threw the computer out the window.

Ridiculous how many things he's achieved mastery of.

He's during loads of books, proof of corruption, bribery, impeachment and pandemic in the age of Trump, released this year.

Proof of collusion, how Trump betrayed America in 2018.

He's certainly no fan of Trump, but this conversation we had where I was very much waving the flag for, well, what, you know, tough on Trump, tough on the causes of Trump, you know, saying what's the point? And in effect, we got to the point we were saying that you could

take Trump out of this whole problem and the problem would be almost the same what's the

point of fetishizing Trump and I feel like that was one of the rear moments

where I came across as the cleverest bloke in the chat. What do you think?

Jen? You don't believe that.

Demia?

Yeah.

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