Yeah, for sure. That's cool. What about your church leadership journey and experience?

I know you were a bishop in Tampa area. Is that right?

I served as bishop twice down in Fort Myers, Florida. And I would say that I only served twice

because I did such a miserable job the first time.

Do you really believe that?

I mean, I just, yeah, here, here's, I mean, here's the thing.

And I don't, I don't want to, yeah.

You know, as I get older, I'm so transparent anymore that I think I make people uncomfortable.

I love authentic people in transparency.

What's that?

That's why we have yon.

We want to be more comfortable.

I just think that I think that we forget that our leaders, regardless of the title,

and I know that this is leading saints, so the vast majority of people probably listening and watching this are in leadership positions.

And I think that at times if you're not in a leadership position and you're on the outside

watching them lead you in Relief Society, you know, elders' quorum, your ward, your stake, whatever,

it's easy to forget that those individuals are also on the

exact same path that you are. And we tend to almost take them out of that human place. And if we don't,

we tend to take ourselves out of it. I think that pressure of going, oh, my gosh, I'm the

Relief Society president. There's certain things people expect of me. Oh, my gosh, I'm the bishop. I'm

the elders' court president. I'm the young men's president. I'm the young, I think that we're like,

okay, I'm now there. And I think the adversary plays on that.

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