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Learning How to See with Brian McLaren

Seeing the Humanity of Everyone (No Exceptions) with Fr. Rafael Garcia

Learning How to See with Brian McLaren

Center for Action and Contemplation

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.8748 Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

What happens to your own humanity when you choose to truly see the humanity in others? In this episode, Jesuit priest Father Rafael Garcia joins Brian McLaren and Carmen Acevedo Butcher to explore what it means to see through eyes of love—especially in a world that often teaches us to view immigrants, the incarcerated, and the marginalized with fear or indifference. Drawing from his work at the U.S.–Mexico border, his Cuban refugee roots, and stories of deep pastoral presence, Father Rafael shares how radical hospitality transforms both giver and receiver. Carmen reflects on her own awakening to shared humanity while serving in a women’s prison, paralleling Rafael’s shift from architectural comfort to spiritual solidarity. Together, they illuminate how true vision—grounded in Jesuit and Franciscan compassion—invites us not into pity, but into kinship and mutual transformation. Connect with us: Have a question you'd like Brian or Carmen to answer about this season? Email us: ⁠⁠⁠podcasts@cac.org⁠⁠⁠ Send us a voicemail: ⁠⁠⁠cac.org/voicemail⁠⁠ Resources: The transcript for this episode can be found here.

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0:04.0

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0:08.0

Hi, I'm Carmen Acevedo Butcher, and welcome to learning how to see. We're glad you're here.

0:19.0

When I was 19 and in college, I applied to be a summer

0:23.4

missionary. My motivations were a genuine desire to be of use to someone who needed my help,

0:30.7

maybe to learn English, a hope to better my speaking of Spanish, a wish to spread the gospel, as I misunderstood that then,

0:40.8

as a teenager raised in the Southern Baptist Church, and a yearning to travel because I was from

0:48.7

a very rural part of Georgia. My mother made all my dress clothes, as we did not have much money. My father was

0:57.7

unwell and physically abusive, and I wished to escape all this. Plus, beyond visiting my Cuban

1:07.3

relatives in Miami during summers, I had not been beyond Georgia and Alabama,

1:12.7

and felt claustrophobic in my understanding of the world.

1:17.9

My life felt like a prison then.

1:21.1

Growing up in three southern U.S. states where women were not seen as of much worth,

1:26.9

and my brown skin from my Cuban-American father made me feel

1:30.6

like an outsider. On my Baptist International Missionary Application, I put down I hoped to attend law school,

1:38.8

and I wanted to serve in a central or South American country. At the interview, I was asked a whole lot of

1:46.4

questions about my goals of being a lawyer, which made me realize maybe I really didn't want to be a

1:53.0

lawyer. Weeks later, after imagining travel to somewhere outside the country, the letter arrived, and I was deeply disappointed

2:03.8

to see I'd been assigned to a maximum security correctional institute for women in, of all places,

2:12.0

South Georgia, only three hours drive from my college. To get to the prison, we had to take a long, dusty road

2:20.0

out into the isolated, unincorporated community of Hardwick, Georgia. I came with the notion

2:27.7

that the women there were different from me, and I didn't know it at first, but on some level,

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