I like to go to the extremes to understand some of the lessons we need to learn.

For example, I turn to the military so that I could better understand trust, and I look to Bruce Deal, so I can better understand compassion.

The work that he is doing at his organization, City of Refuge, is nothing short of remarkable.

In fact, I was so inspired by him I had the opportunity to publish his book, Trust First,

which I highly recommend.

The experiences that Bruce has had

can teach us how to be better versions of ourselves.

This is a bit of optimism.

Bruce, so good to see you. Thanks so much for sitting down to do this with me.

It's always a pleasure to see you.

Great to see you.

Thanks for the opportunity to spend some time together.

I wanted to talk to you about... for the opportunity to spend some time together.

I wanted to talk to you about this idea of giving people a second chance.

You work with prostitutes and drug addicts and people who have often been marginalized and forgotten in society.

What I think is so profound about you and your organization is how sometimes the idea of giving

people a second chance

can actually be a daily occurrence,

that sometimes you believe in someone and they let you down

and you have to give them a second chance

again and again.

So for many of the people that we deal with, they were born into poverty, lack of quality

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