Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, SGS Nation, and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor,

the podcast that promises to bring you the very

amazing background and we have a new best guest with a very amazing background and resume.

I'm going to introduce you to him in just a moment,

but sad news that was expected right off the top, the OSBI just a few moments ago confirming that the two moms murdered in Oklahoma, that the remains that they found on Sunday are in fact

the remains of Jillian Kelly 39 and Veronica Butler 27. So again the headline is a sad one.

Senseless murder, the motive seems to be a custody battle.

And Jillian Kelly 39, Veronica Butler 27, positively IDed as the remains that they found on Sunday in rural Oklahoma.

Both of these women leave behind six children

together, both mothers in Yucatan, Kansas.

They were traveling.

Jillian was traveling with Veronica

in a supervise super supervisory role to supervise a visit.

She was one of four court appointed supervisors so she was hate to say this

it's a horrible phrase but sort of collateral damage in all this the car was

abandoned about three miles short of their destination and most of

you have been following the story so just horrific news but at least the

families know now at least that those remains that they found on Sunday.

Of course the four people including Grandma Tiffany Adams, they will be in court tomorrow morning. That is something the

COE and I will look at. We are trying to juggle a bunch of different things, but

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