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Perhaps we're not seeing those extremes, at least not yet, fortunately, but we're certainly seeing elements of this.

That is the idea that there is a party line that we must adhere to, at the very least, not full

afoul of, and maybe that party line changes and maybe it shifts, but that was, of course,

true under communism too. It might shift from month to month. It might shift from year to year,

but you have to follow the party line. This is your host, Scott Bertram. Welcome to the Radio

Free Hillsdale Hour, part of the Hillsdale

College Podcast Network.

That was Dr. Sean McNeican, professor of European history at Bard College and also the author

of multiple books, including his latest, to overthrow the world, the rise and fall and

rise of communism. We'll talk in depth with Dr. McMeekin later on

today's program about to overthrow the world. First, we're joined by Matt Behan. He is Associate

Dean and Assistant Professor of Government at Hillsdale College's Van Andal School of Government

in Washington, D.C. Dr. Bion, thanks so much for joining us.

Thanks for having me, Scott.

Talking today about how the ancients viewed virtuous leadership.

What qualities we start here?

What qualities did the ancient cultures regard as essential for a virtuous leader?

I mean, the short answer is excellence. Aritae, the Greek word,

right? They wanted all of the human characteristics in full. So the old joke from Aristotle is the

magnanimous man, the great man who would be the great leader. he often he says is tall and speaks with a firm

and, you know, sort of slow cadence. So there are physical properties that they would have said,

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