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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

SchadenFriday: Greg Bovino, You’re Fired…from Minnesota

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate Podcasts

News, News Commentary, Daily News

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2026

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Summary

In the wake of the killings of Renee Good and Alex Pretti during Trump’s immigration enforcement surge in Minnesota, the closest thing to “accountability” we’ve seen is Border Patrol’s Gregory Bovino being sent back to California. It’s not enough but it’s something.


Guest: Rob Gunther, What Next senior producer.


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Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther.


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0:00.0

Happy Friday Slatersters.

0:03.8

Welcome back.

0:04.5

It is another edition of Shoutin Friday.

0:06.8

These are our Slate Plus conversations for when you want to laugh at the news rather than cry.

0:13.0

And it's been a week.

0:15.0

Like a few things that happened.

0:16.8

Minnesota Representative Ilhan Omar was attacked by a man at a town hall who sprayed her with vinegar last I checked.

0:25.5

Okay, that happened.

0:26.7

Amazon announced it was going to be cutting 16,000 jobs.

0:30.8

That is a lot of jobs.

0:32.6

And there have also been these reports of immigrant detainees trying to stage protests from within a detention center in Texas. It has been a week. Those are all stories we did not even get to on the regular show. But honestly, we're not going to get to them here either because today we're going to take a moment to appreciate a little bit of like a karmic victory.

0:55.6

I think I'm going to say that.

0:56.5

I'm going to say karmic victory.

0:57.8

I'm going to go with that.

0:59.0

It's small but meaningful and to do it right.

1:03.0

I decided we'd like let you in on what it's like in our actual editorial meetings.

1:08.6

And ask Rob Gunther, our senior producer, to join me here and talk to me. Rob, what's up? Hey, Mary. Thanks for having me. Okay. How are you surviving the snow, my friend? How are you doing? I'm inside. I'm leaving the faucets running so the pipes don't freeze. Oh, crap. Am I supposed to be doing that? Yeah, that's happened to us twice and it's bad.

1:28.2

Oh, boy. Do you have a non-detached house? It's attached, but it's over 100 years old and it's very, very drafty.

1:35.7

Okay. Okay, so we're surviving out here, maybe not thriving. And all week long, Rob and I and everyone else in the show, you two have been covering

1:46.8

the fallout from what happened this weekend with the killing of Alex Preti in Minneapolis.

1:52.2

I think it's fair to say that even people within the Trump administration are kind of shook

1:56.5

by what happened here, which is a 37-year-old white man,

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