Can Cell Phones Stop ICE?
What Next | Daily News and Analysis
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4.3 • 2.4K Ratings
🗓️ 30 January 2026
⏱️ 26 minutes
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Summary
In the immediate aftermath of the killings of Renee Good and Alex Pretti in Minnesota, federal authorities presented very different accounts of what happened from what videos from witnesses showed. Did having footage from multiple angles of each shooting make the truth clear?
Guests:
Jake Godin, researcher for Bellingcat.
Julia Angwin, investigative journalist, founder of Proof News and contributing opinion writer for New York Times.
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| 0:00.0 | On January 7th, Jake Godin started hearing that something bad had happened in Minneapolis. |
| 0:11.4 | There was this incident, and immediately we start looking for video to see what is out on that. |
| 0:19.0 | Jake works for Bellingcat, the investigative journalism group that specializes in open source |
| 0:23.9 | intelligence. One of the things they do is forensic video analysis. |
| 0:29.1 | Jake saw someone on blue sky posting that they were near whatever had gone down. |
| 0:34.0 | And he said, a witness has shared a video with me, I'll upload it momentarily. |
| 0:38.3 | He uploaded it, and then we could start to understand what happened. |
| 0:42.9 | What happened was that ICE agent Jonathan Ross shot and killed Renee Good. |
| 0:47.9 | Jake and his colleagues started working to build a fuller picture. |
| 0:51.7 | What I wanted to do when I first saw two videos come out, the one on Blue Sky and then |
| 0:57.0 | an additional one, I wanted to try and build a map just to show what happened, just to |
| 1:04.3 | give everybody who's, because the news is coming out like super quick. |
| 1:09.0 | So to give people an idea of how did this unfold, what can we tell from the videos that |
| 1:13.4 | we have, which are two videos shot from the same side of the sidewalk, where people were |
| 1:17.9 | standing, where the vehicles were, and, you know, what happened in immediate moments before |
| 1:24.4 | the shooting. |
| 1:24.9 | And because there's a lot of, there were a lot of claims already coming out. |
| 1:32.1 | In the finished Belling Cat analysis, |
| 1:34.6 | you can see stills, zooms, and close-ups of different angles. |
| 1:39.7 | Then, a few weeks later, Jake did the same thing, |
| 1:43.9 | this time for Alex Preti. |
| 1:46.0 | So the Predi shooting, we started out with a three video sync. |
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