Hey everyone welcome back to the going scared podcast this is your host Jessica Honeger founder of the social impact fashion brand

noon day collection join me here every week for conversations on living lives of purpose by leaving comfort and going

scared. As we continue through our series on recovering the art of difficult

dialogue, I think you'll agree that today's episode is extra appropriate.

We couldn't have a difficult dialogue series without addressing the elephant in the room

or the donkey in the room.

That's right, Today we are talking politics. I learned

about Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silver's through their book that's called. I think you're wrong but I'm listening. They also

have a podcast called Pant-Suit Politics Podcast. If you find yourself experiencing some rather visceral

reactions when in conversation about politics this episode is for you. Now

disclaimer you'll find out during this conversation that I thought their book was recent like hot off the press

but it was actually written a couple of years ago and you'll hear that they actually over the last couple of years have become a little bit

more aligned in how they view the world.

So it wasn't quite as opposites attract or let's have this really difficult dialogue around being a conservative and a progressive.

However, I think where the conversation went is,

as we perhaps do become more aligned

in how we might view the world. How can we still not create echo

chambers? So I challenged them on that as I learned that their book was a couple of

years old and they actually have changed

their platform a little bit so it ended up being an interesting conversation

from that angle because they started off on opposite sides of the political spectrum

and through a very intentional work and committing the conversations based in

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