This is a huge moment in time. For me, for Reese, who's producing this show, this is the last pre-recorded interview. This is the last interview that was left over from my breakdown or my retreat or whatever you would call it in your own lingo. I like calling it a breakdown because I feel like it represents what happened. I broke

down. My health broke down. My mental health broke down. And it left these amazing episodes

kind of in, well, in Dropbox, but in the ether. And this is the last one. So from here on out,

after this episode, we'll be back to real time.

This episode is about identity.

It's about our stories, our myths, and comparing them with our actual real lives.

There are moments that can define someone's life.

When we study people in history, we're often looking at such moments, these life-defining

moments.

And in the modern time, it can be really strange to compare the myth of people to the reality.

I'm sure most of us have had a role model whose image has been completely tarnished by new

revelations, new information coming out about their character, about how who they were in

their everyday lives differed from the myth that we were taught about them.

And this is the danger about mythologizing people,

that it doesn't often capture who they are.

If you're a fan of true crime stories,

you've probably been familiar with the story of today's guest, Matthew Hawn.

A career criminal, a drug addict,

breaks into a garage and steals a safe.

And in that safe is what we might call pure evil.

There's evidence of child molestation, rape, pedophilic behavior, things that we don't like to think about.

And our protagonist, our career criminal and drug addict, has a moral dilemma.

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