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Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

S9E17 – Abolition – Ch. 2 Review, After Hours with Dr. Joshua Herring

Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

David Bates, Matt Bush, and Andrew Lazo

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9671 Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2026

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Joshua Herring, host of The Optimistic Curmudgeon, returns to the show to help us review Chapter 2 of "The Abolition of Man" and to help us understand "The Way"...

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The innovator attacks traditional values, the Tao, in defence of what he at first

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supposes to be in some special sense, rational or biological values. But as we have seen, all

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the values which he uses in attacking the Dow, and even the claims to be substituting for it,

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are themselves derived from the Dow. If the claims to be substituting for it are themselves

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derived from the Dow. If the Dow fails, all his own conceptions of value full with it. Not

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one of them can claim any authority other than that of the Dow. Only by such shreds of the

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Dow as he is inherited is he enabled even to attack it.

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This is Pints for Jack, Season 9, Episode 17, The Abolition of Man, Chapter 2, Review.

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After hours with Dr. Joshua Herring.

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Have you been looking, everywhere searching for a place where you belong?

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Away from the masses among clinking glasses where the hearth fire is on.

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Let the laughter welcome you in that eagle and child din.

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There's room at this table to take a seat and tuck right in Pints with Jack.

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Pints with Jack.

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Welcome friends to Pints with Jack. This month we've completed the reading of the Abolition of Man

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Chapter 2.

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As I've said, many times this book is quite dense, and so, like last month with Chapter 1,

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today we're going to have a review of Chapter 2.

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And guiding us along the way, today is Dr. Joshua Herring.

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Dr. Herring is a former guest to the show. He is Professor of Classical Education and Humanities

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at Thaley's College in Wake Forest, North Carolina, where he teaches liberal arts courses

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and directs the Certificate in Classical Education Philosophy Program. He hosts the optimistic

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