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Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

S9E18 – Abolition – Ch. 3, Pt. 1 ("Man's Conquest of Nature")

Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

David Bates, Matt Bush, and Andrew Lazo

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9671 Ratings

🗓️ 3 March 2026

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

With Matt at the hospital, Andrew and David begin the final chapter of "The Abolition of Man"...

[Show Notes]

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The modern state exists not to protect our rights, but to do us good or make us good.

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Anyway, to do something to us or to make us something.

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Hence the new name leaders for those who were once rulers.

0:20.0

We are less their subjects than their wards,

0:23.6

pupils, or domestic animals.

0:26.6

There is nothing left of which we can say to them,

0:30.6

Find your own business.

0:32.6

Our whole lives are their business.

0:36.6

This is Pints with Jack, season 9, episode 18, The Abolition of Man, Chapter 3,

0:44.2

The Abolition of Man.

0:46.8

Part 1, Man's Conquest of Nature.

0:51.3

Have you been looking, everywhere searching for a place where you belong?

0:56.0

Away from the masses among clinking glasses where the hearth fire is on.

1:02.0

Let the laughter welcome you in that eagle and child din.

1:07.0

There's room at this table.

1:10.0

So take a seat and tuck right in for Pints with Jack

1:15.6

Pints with Jack

1:16.6

Well welcome friends to Pints with Jack

1:20.6

Well welcome friends to Pints with Jack you observant listeners will notice that I am not Matthew Bush. We think that he is at the point of having young little Michael Andrew. And so David and I are carrying on in his absence today. For the past couple of months, we've been working our way through the abolition of man this year,

1:44.9

and today we begin the final chapter.

1:47.9

This chapter shares its name with the book, The Abolition of Man, so whatever Lewis is going to tell us,

1:53.9

it's going to be important, and it's probably not going to be good.

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