S8 Ep965: Preview for Later Today: Gordon Chang argues that China is a declining power due to demographic and economic distress. In contrast, the United States remains the sole superpower, growing stronger through energy self-sufficiency and food security.
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 4 June 2026
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| 0:00.0 | This is John Batchel. Colleague Gordon Chang, talking about the Thucydides trap used by |
| 0:07.1 | Xi Jinping to indicate his rising power was getting stronger while America's superpower was in |
| 0:13.9 | decline. Gordon, it refutes that. Jot and Tittle. The facts don't add up, Mr. Xi Jinping. |
| 0:22.1 | Here's Gordon. More of this tonight. |
| 0:24.8 | Please help me understand. |
| 0:26.8 | On the first day of the summit between President Trump and Xi Jinping, |
| 0:31.6 | Xi Jinping mentioned the Thucydides trap, |
| 0:35.2 | and he was using that as a reference to a declining power, dangerously challenging a rising power. |
| 0:43.3 | And the idea was that he did not want the United States to go to war with China to prevent |
| 0:48.9 | China's rise. |
| 0:50.1 | But when you look at it, China is the declining power. When we see its economy, its demography, |
| 0:58.1 | it's populace, this is a very distressing story about a China in decline. And when you look at |
| 1:06.1 | the numbers for the United States, this is a good economy. It's solid for the moment. What we also see is America |
| 1:15.3 | is self-sufficient in food and in energy, and China is self-sufficient in neither of those. |
| 1:21.9 | So, yeah, yeah, there's a superpower, but there's only one of them. And that superpower on a relative basis is getting |
| 1:29.5 | stronger. A lot of Americans may say things are getting worse in the U.S. But when you look at Russia, |
| 1:35.6 | you look at China, the United States, in a relative measure, is getting stronger against both |
| 1:41.3 | of them. And I think that we can thank President Trump, especially for the energy |
| 1:45.7 | component of this, because he certainly has asserted American power in ways that advance our |
| 1:51.1 | country and its security. I'm glad you spoke. |
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