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S8 Ep890: Sophie McDowall explores the complex difficulty of balancing free speech rights with moderating radicalist audio content. She identifies Islamic art bands with ties to Hamas that use music to oppose coexistence. (16/16)

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 19 May 2026

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Sophie McDowall explores the complex difficulty of balancing free speech rights with moderating radicalist audio content. She identifies Islamic art bands with ties to Hamas that use music to oppose coexistence. (16/16)
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She and her colleagues, Ahmed Shorari and Stefan Vilddenovich, have identified a phenomenon I had no knowledge

1:31.2

of, which is using music, embedding in music language that is stirring, inspirational, and pointing

1:39.0

you towards violence, mass violence in some instances. I know that it works in German, because I've heard the

1:45.1

horse vessel song. I know that you could say without being too unfair minded, that it works with

1:51.3

the Battle of Him in the Republic in 1864, and certainly it works all the time when you can

1:57.2

understand the language, but it's not absolutely necessary.

2:05.5

Sophie, I have viewed a lot of videos coming out of Afghanistan over the years,

2:10.0

and they're singing in Arabic or other languages that I don't understand,

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