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Today. I'm John Batchel with the author and art historian Andrew Graham Dixon.

His new book Vermeer, highly recommended to those of you who understand the 17th century in England and in Holland.

These are revolutionary times.

The revolution led to horrors, the massacres of whole cities.

This English civil war was no less bloody-minded than the Dutch civil war between the Catholics and the Protestants,

between the English and the Dutch, between the French and the Dutch, back and forth, back and forth,

the restoration in 1660.

All of that was a world in turmoil.

Much like ours today, you don't sense that there's ever going to be peace there's just war fighting

and death from the sky and then there's a vision of what we could be like and that takes us to

Vermeer's painting that's entitled view of delft DELF T DELF 16T, Delfth, 1665.

It looks like a very calm day in a Dutch town.

The steeples, the church in the distance, the beautiful clouds overhead, a spring day.

And there are several people, Dutch citizens, on what looks to be a sandy beach gazing across the water.

However, I learned from you, Andrew, hiding in plain sight is utopia.

What am I looking at?

Well, I think you're looking at a vision of what peace would look like if only we would bring it about. This is what they dreamed of. But Vermeer's people dreamed of it in a very particular way. Many,

many people in the 1660s believed in the coming of a new Messiah.

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