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S8 Ep731: 4. This source reiterates the consequences of the 2008 NATO summit, detailing the split between the U.S. and allies like Germany. Plokhy explains how Putin’s invasion of Georgia served as a blueprint for the 2014 Ukrainian conflict and explores Yanukovich

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🗓️ 12 April 2026

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4. This source reiterates the consequences of the 2008 NATO summit, detailing the split between the U.S. and allies like Germany. Plokhy explains how Putin’s invasion of Georgia served as a blueprint for the 2014 Ukrainian conflict and explores Yanukovich’s controversial presidency and the subsequent Orange Revolution. (4)

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0:00.0

I'm John Batch with Professor Serhi Ploki, Ukrainian professor of history at Harvard University.

0:10.0

His new book is the Russo-Ukrainian War, The Return of History.

0:13.0

It is the spring of 2021, the summer of 2021, Russia continues to run troops up to the Ukrainian border and then pull back,

0:24.4

but leaves its equipment in place. There's talk back and forth between now President Biden

0:30.3

and Vladimir Putin. They meet in Geneva. There's talks by the director of the Central

0:36.6

Intelligence Agency in Moscow, warning Putin not to do this,

0:41.6

and Putin talking about his demands.

0:45.0

There's taunting going on in Ukraine all that spring, summer, and fall of 2021.

0:53.2

But Mr. Biden makes it clear again and again,

0:55.9

the professor reporting, that no U.S. troops are going to Ukraine,

0:59.7

no weapons are going to Ukraine.

1:02.1

Professor, this is a colossal misjudgment of Putin.

1:05.8

Was it purposeful?

1:07.1

Did it serve NATO's purpose to pretend that Putin wasn't a deceiver and a predator?

1:11.6

The US intelligence did a fantastic job really reporting to Washington on the mudding the Kremlin,

1:25.6

on the plans for the war, even predicting, if not the mood in the Kremlin, on the plans for the war, even predicting if not the day and the

1:31.7

hour, then at least the week when the war would start. And Mr. Biden's administration

1:40.5

in the White House made an unprecedented move of releasing almost in real time the

1:49.1

intelligence information on those things that they were getting.

1:53.2

So the hope was that they would shame Putin into not doing that, into not attacking,

1:59.8

almost to trick him into saying that,

2:02.8

okay, you told that I would attack and I would prove you wrong.

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