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new world the epic story of animals and people in america we've established that the philosophy

used by the hunters and the profiteers of the 18th to 19th century is still in place.

And yet, in the 20th century, there are first small demonstrated efforts to preserve this or that creature.

And then large scale, and now in the 21st century, there's a recognition,

naturalism, ecology, that what was done in order to build America was wrongheaded,

and it can be corrected. However, I want to go to a couple of small successes here that are a joy to

celebrate.

The Ivory Bill Woodpecker Professor, this is such a surprise because I wrote out in my notes

disappeared last one, 1940s.

Well, the story is it's miraculous, but it's also tragic.

We do think now, according to the Fish and Wildlife Service, about a year ago, that the

ivory bill is extinct.

There are always people in the south, which was the ivory bills original range, who believe they are

seeing ivory bills. And so there are endless stories that in some bayou or swamp, somewhere in

the Carolinas or in Louisiana, there are still some around. But this was, of course, America's

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