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of mars a human history of the red planet the medieval world inherits the understanding of

the ancients and then astrology but i go to one one note of clarity in bagdad and damascus Matt informs us between the 10th and the 16th century,

which is the dark ages in the West, an age of futile superstition. There are very careful observations

of the planets and the stars. And Matt, this sure looks like science.

Is that agreed upon that what was going on in Baghdad and Damascus was

scientific observation?

Yeah, you know, we used to pretty much solely talk about a renaissance happening in Europe

later.

Now it's pretty common for historians of science to talk about an earlier

renaissance that happens in the Islamic world, where all of this ancient knowledge, in addition to knowledge that is being brought from different corners of the Islamic Empire,

you know, there are libraries built, there's a large translation movement, and then there

is original astronomical work being done as well.

So there's definitely a lot of what we would recognize today as science and knowledge

production happening in the Islamic world prior to that European Renaissance,

that in many ways is seeded by the work that's being done in the Islamic world earlier.

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