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I'm John Back to me. do it the right way with indeed i'm john bachelor with jim shapiro who's a professor at columbia university most importantly the author of a new book the playbook a story of theater

democracy and the making of a culture war we begin with that image of Lafayette Theater on 7th Avenue.

Now, there are two names that are important here.

The first is Rose McClendon, who's a star at the time, working Broadway.

And she is involved in, at this point, imagining what the Lafayette theater rented by the federal theater, the

federal theater program run by Flanagan for $1,800 a month, I believe.

What can happen there is the play of Macbeth.

And she knows somebody named Jacques Hausman.

Jim, who is Rose McClendon?

Who is Jacques Hausman?

Before we introduce the play.

It's almost a play within a play, to tell you the truth, John.

The personalities are all larger than life.

One of the goals, Hallie Flanagan set for the federal theater was to develop black talent.

And you couldn't be a black usher in a New York Broadway house.

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