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This is CBS Eye on the World.

Here's John Batchelor.

It's a great pleasure to welcome my colleague and friend and mentor, Gregory Copley,

for his new book, The Noble State Governance Options in an Innoble Era.

We begin with the word noble, as in nobility.

That is critical to understand because we have not left it behind in the Enlightenment period.

We are not headed to a period where the word noble is going to take on some other version of itself.

It is now what it was 100,000, 2,000 years ago.

It is a quality, and it attaches to people of all kinds.

However, we need to define it very carefully here because we're talking about politics

in the 21st century. Gregory, congratulations. A very good evening. Nobility, a definition that can

help us through this conversation. Good evening to you. Good evening, John. Well, nobility is the

characteristic which is in, as you say, all people at all

stages if they choose to embrace it. And that is to have a degree of, if you like, purity of

intention, honorable behavior, honorable treatment of others, and to represent the values of their society.

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