I'm John Batchew with Colonel Jeff McCawson, my colleague of many years.

He's at CBS News. He's a U.S. Army

retired Colonel Artilleryman. He's a visiting professor at Dickinson College in Pennsylvania,

and Diamond Sixth Leadership and Strategy CEO. He was also my walking and talking guide on the Gettysburg

Battlefield once about a time. So, General, Colonel, let's talk of the battlefield.

Ukraine battlefield looks like a static front line and the casualty rate climbs as the drones fly.

In other words, the power has always in the hands of the defensive because the other side has to

outnumber. But now it looks like a defensive war is

superior to anything that anyone's come up with on the offense. That's Ukraine. In the Middle East,

we're learning right now in Iran that the enemy not only gets a vote, gets lots of drones,

lots of ballistic missiles, lots of warheads with cluster bombs in them, and even drones on

the waterway so that those tankers are hit. Are we learning something profoundly new that we

anticipated in your time in West Point in the 20th century and your teaching at West Point?

Is this something that you had seen us prep for over these years, Jeff?

Well, we always talked about the reaction and reaction cycle, John, between the defense

and the offense. And the classic example back in the days when I was at West Point.

I was World War I in technology, gave the defense advantage, witnessed things like

the machine guns and artillery. And then, of course, comes World War II,

and the offense comes back by the invention of the tank and close support aircraft. And so there's

this back and forth, if you will, between those two variables. Clearly, in this war in Ukraine and

perhaps to some degree the war with Iran, Iran now playing the role of Ukraine in many ways,

the defense has certain advantages.

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