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S8 Ep567: 8. Guest Kevin Frazier compares the current AI era to the early industrial railroad boom. He notes distinctions between AI models and praises states like Utah and Montana for fostering innovation through regulatory sandboxes. (8)

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🗓️ 11 March 2026

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8. Guest Kevin Frazier compares the current AI era to the early industrial railroad boom. He notes distinctions between AI models and praises states like Utah and Montana for fostering innovation through regulatory sandboxes. (8)
FEBRUARY 1930

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0:00.0

I'm John Bachelor with Kevin Fraser for the Civitas Outlook at Civitas Institute.

0:20.6

He's also at the

0:21.2

University of Texas Law School as a fellow in AI and its progress through state legislatures,

0:27.9

the federal one as well, and the understanding of where we are right now. I'm going to focus not on the

0:34.1

politicians, but on the companies themselves, Kevin. There are distinctions

0:39.5

that are important here, and if you use AI routinely, which I do, you pick them up right

0:45.2

away. It's a consumer choice. Grock, in the hands of the richest man in the solar system,

0:51.2

clearly has decided to be edgy and, I would say, vaguely immature and have a lot

0:58.0

of fun, a lot of giggles out of grok. Anthropic is the grown-up in the room. Claudeette is

1:04.9

always correct, and when Claudette makes a mistake, Claude, called Claude. I say that is incorrect. Do it again.

1:13.0

Claude apologizes and does it again, and it unscambles. The brain just scrambles a little bit.

1:18.9

You check it. I'm in the decision chain. Gemini, Grog regards Gemini as corporate. I regard

1:25.9

Gemini is extremely consistent with all the technology

1:29.7

around me because it's Microsoft. There are other choices that can be made here. If you use them on a

1:34.9

daily basis, do you want a Porsche? Do you want a Tesla? Do you want something like a Ford 250,

1:43.1

the dream flatbed?

1:45.2

Those are the distinctions I can make.

1:49.3

Do you hear, Kevin, because you travel and talk to people about AIA all the time, do you hear

1:55.1

the makers of the large-arguerge, understand that we consumers are that quick

2:01.5

to see the difference between them.

2:04.4

I'm hearing increasingly that the labs are thinking through

2:08.4

how best to market their tools to consumers

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