This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Batchel with Jonathan Pelson. His new book is Wireless Wars, China's dangerous domination of 5G and how we're fighting back. We're in the stage where nobody sees the wolf at the door.

John, there's a scene in your book that doesn't stand up to reality.

It lacks very similitude if this was a novel. The woman's name is Madam Sun Yi Fang.

Who is she? And when does she walk into the room? Yeah. So, in fact, Colin Golder, who had stood in front

of that room, several, many years later,

is called in the Saudis were trying to get China to start buying their oil.

And one of the Saudi ministers, really up at the top of the royal family, called Lucent,

which was now what AT&T's division for equipment division was called and said you know what you guys are doing

this huge build out of the Saudi telecom network you're building out all the equipment

why don't you get Huawei this Chinese company to help you on the project so help them put a

bid together and submit it to us it was charity it was charity it was just trying to you know grease

the skids to get China to buy some more oil. And they said, we'll buy some of your electronics. So Colin goes off there. He's going to teach him how to put together a bid. And they had someone show up who didn't know what was going on. He said, look, this is not going to work. I need someone who can work with me. So he came back the next day. And there's a young woman well-dressed. And she introduces herself as Madam Sun, the chairwoman

of Huawei. With an interpreter. She evidences that she doesn't have English.

Doesn't speak English. And she kind of struggles with him and she he tells her we're going to work

together we're going to put together a bid for this small project in Saudi Arabia and Colin told

me by the end of the week she was actually speaking some English more than he would have thought

and I looked into this and what I found is that that her backstory was that she had joined Huawei from a TV and

radio manufacturer.

Unfortunately for her, she was an alum of a technical school, an engineering school,

and the alumni newsletter had printed, published on the internet, this wonderful glowing profile saying,

our graduate, Madam Sun, who left to become a superstar at the Ministry of State Security,

has now been sent over to Huawei.

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