S8 Ep499: Jonathan Pelson recounts the evolution of Chinese telecommunications since 1980, AT&T's failure to predict the wireless market, and the early opportunistic founding of Huawei that exploited Western complacency. 1
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 23 February 2026
⏱️ 12 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBS Eye on the World. |
| 0:08.3 | Here's John Batchelor. |
| 0:11.1 | Huawei, much in the news these last years because of suspicions that it is not secure, that it is a bad actor. |
| 0:19.6 | I welcome Jonathan Pelson, the author of a new book, Wireless |
| 0:24.0 | Wars, China's dangerous domination of 5G, and how we are fighting back. Jonathan, a very good |
| 0:32.2 | evening to you. Thank you very much. And congratulations. I go to a scene in your book, |
| 0:37.3 | Colin Golder, arriving in China at the |
| 0:40.7 | behest of the United Nations funds in trust. He stays at the Minsu Hotel, the date 1980. |
| 0:48.2 | He takes a walk around town in Beijing, breathing in the coal dust that fills the air. |
| 1:01.2 | And he sees satisfied young people because they have a watch, a bicycle, a sewing machine, and a radio, |
| 1:03.7 | three rounds and a sound. |
| 1:10.3 | However, he's there to present about telecommunications to Chinese engineers. |
| 1:16.3 | He walks into a room filled with engineers and identical mouse suits, men and women. |
| 1:18.5 | What is he telling him, John? |
| 1:19.5 | Good evening to you. |
| 1:21.6 | Good evening, John. |
| 1:22.9 | So nice to be here. |
| 1:25.9 | And Colin Golder is up in front of that room. |
| 1:30.1 | And he's trying to tell him how to build a telecom network. You have a country here that has a GDP in 1980 of about $195 per person, which was about half of Sudan at the time, and 1% or so of the GDP of the United States, they had one phone line |
| 1:48.7 | per 500 people and they understood in China that one of the first ways to build an economy |
| 1:57.7 | and Deng Xiaoping was figured out this needed to be done, is to create communications |
| 2:02.6 | channels. Companies, businesses can talk to each other, people can talk. And they needed to have |
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