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S8 Ep375: Cleo Paskal Paskal discusses the geopolitical and legal complications regarding the transfer of the Chagos Islands (which include Diego Garcia) from the UK to Mauritius. She highlights a critical oversight: a 1966 agreement between the US and the UK manda

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 2 minutes

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Cleo Paskal Paskal discusses the geopolitical and legal complications regarding the transfer of the Chagos Islands (which include Diego Garcia) from the UK to Mauritius. She highlights a critical oversight: a 1966 agreement between the US and the UK mandates that sovereignty over the Chagos archipelago must remain British for 50 years plus an additional 20 years, meaning the territory should legally remain British until 2036. Paskal notes that Washington has recently "woken up" to the dangers of the transfer—which President Trump has labeled as "stupid"—largely due to concerns regarding the heavy influence of the Chinese Communist Party in Mauritius.
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0:00.0

This is John Batchel. The Indian Ocean. In the middle is the Chegos Islands. They've been British for

0:06.7

several hundred years. The Brits took them with gunboats in the 18th and 19th century. And now the Brits

0:14.3

want to sell them, pass them, and hand them over to Mauritius Islands off the coast of Africa.

0:21.0

No historical connection whatsoever.

0:24.2

Cleo Pascal is traveling in the Oceania in the Pacific,

0:29.4

and she has a detail that is fresh about why Britain might be skipping a few steps here

0:35.5

and why Diego Garcia isn't immediately going to be

0:39.1

in the control of the Mauritius Islands. I mentioned Mauritius is heavily influenced by the

0:46.7

opinion of the PRC in Beijing. The Chinese Communist Party is not a stranger to Mauritius.

0:55.7

Here's clear to explain a little detail that Mr. Starrmer, the Prime Minister of Great Britain,

1:01.2

who's backing this transfer, might not have been briefed on.

1:06.5

More of this tonight.

1:08.2

It seems like – well, so there had always been opposition within the UK, but it seems like

1:14.9

Washington has finally woken up to how insane the deal is, thanks to the President Trump

1:21.8

statement about its stupidity in all capital letters.

1:27.8

And another thing that's come up recently is that the U.S. and the U.K.

1:33.3

actually signed an agreement in 1966 that said that sovereignty over the region, over the Chagos,

1:41.7

archipelago, would stay British for 50 plus 20 years, which means that

1:48.1

there is an existing agreement between the U.S. and the U.K. that the archipelago stays British

1:55.2

until 2036. So now there's this kind of fundamental legal question about whether the UK had the right to

2:04.1

enter into this agreement with Mauritius in the first place. And it casts a new poll over

2:11.9

the actions on the UK.

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