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I'm John Batchel with my colleague,

Johnson Shanzer, the executive director of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

The Board of Peace, the invitations are going out day by day, and it is a puzzle,

especially because included in the Board of Peace so far look to be elements of the adversaries.

People who listen to the Muslim brothers, people who are sympathetic to the jihadists,

people who are sympathetic to any backstabbing in the Middle East.

And then there's Vladimir Putin.

Jonathan, just as we were struggling to make sense of the signals on the Iranian cruelty towards its own people,

I get the same from this Board of Peace.

It's like a card game in which things are being flipped onto the table, and I don't know what they mean.

Well, John, I think your confusion is ours.

I mean, I think there are some good signs that are coming out of this Board of Peace right now.

The fact that we're moving into Phase 2, and let's be honest, phase 1 of this deal is not fully complete.

There is still the body of one Israeli slain hostage.

And Hamas is not disarmed. It has not dismantled itself, which was part of phase one. But I think

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