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S8 Ep326: FEDERAL IMMUNITY AND THE ICE SHOOTING IN MINNEAPOLIS Colleague Professor Richard Epstein. Professor Richard Epstein analyzes the legal battle over whether ICE agents have immunity from state prosecution following a fatal shooting in Minneapolis. He explai

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 17 January 2026

⏱️ 14 minutes

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FEDERAL IMMUNITY AND THE ICE SHOOTING IN MINNEAPOLIS Colleague Professor Richard Epstein. Professor Richard Epstein analyzes the legal battle over whether ICE agents have immunity from state prosecution following a fatal shooting in Minneapolis. He explains the complexities of absolute versus qualified immunity, arguing that the agents' aggressive conduct might weaken their defense against state charges in this specific instance. NUMBER 3
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I'm John Batchel. I welcome my good colleague Richard Epstein of the Civitas Institute.

1:07.7

Civitas Outlook is where Richard posts his material, but right now we're going to take him to the immediate future, which is the Supreme Court.

1:12.4

The Supreme Court has pending a very important decision about tariffs,

1:18.1

but before there, we need to go to the claim by the Vice President of the United States,

1:26.2

Mr. Vanz, that the ICE agents who are conducting federal authority across the country are exempt from prosecution by state prosecutors in the event of a suspect crime.

1:35.8

In this case, it turns on the matter of Minneapolis and the tragedy of the death of a young mother named Good, and the ambition of the state prosecutor

1:47.1

and the state authorities

1:48.8

to bring the ICE agent before the courts.

1:53.0

Mr. Vance has said he's immune.

1:55.6

The question here turns on the Supreme Court eventually,

1:58.6

is there a case that offers precedent?

2:01.6

In Reason magazine, there's a column by Damon Root, who argues that the case is not as simple

2:07.8

as saying he's immune.

2:09.5

And he points to the 1906 case, Drury v. Lewis, where the court held that the circuit court

2:17.1

was right to say that the perpetrator of a

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