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S8 Ep322: China's Quest for Legitimacy and Defense. Guest: GREGORY COPLEY. The Chinese Communist Party yearns for ancient China's legitimacy while defending its modern borders. Rather than traditional imperial expansion, China employs "total war" non-military means

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🗓️ 16 January 2026

⏱️ 5 minutes

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China's Quest for Legitimacy and Defense. Guest: GREGORY COPLEY. The Chinese Communist Party yearns for ancient China's legitimacy while defending its modern borders. Rather than traditional imperial expansion, Chinaemploys "total war" non-military means. However, the state currently faces a crisis of sovereignty as it implodes internally under disproven totalitarian models and intensifying defensive pressures.
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0:00.0

I'm John Batch with my mentor and Frank Gregory Copley, and we're looking at a book

0:20.6

that Gregory published some years ago, sovereignty friend Gregory Copley, and we're looking at a book that Gregory

0:21.1

published some years ago, sovereignty in the 21st century, and the crisis for identity,

0:26.2

cultures, nation, states, and civilizations on the basis of four major authorities here in the

0:32.8

early 21st century, Russia, China, the U.S. and the EU.

0:37.3

China, the People's Republic of China,

0:39.7

the utopian brand applies maybe within 50 feet of Xi Jinping. Otherwise, we're looking at a state

0:47.5

that has doubts about its future, doubts about its past. Does China understand or recognize or yearn for a sense of sovereignty, Gregory? We have a few

0:59.4

minutes. Well, yes, the People's Republic of China, which is basically a subset of the Communist

1:06.5

Party of China, and that, by the way, is not a nation-state, but it does yearn for identity and

1:12.5

legitimacy and recognition as a sovereign state, as though it were ancient China. It belittles and

1:20.0

decries ancient China as being inefficient, unfair, outdated and the like, but it still wants that legitimacy which ancient China traditionally had.

1:32.2

And it wants to defend or conserve its present borders.

1:38.9

And those present borders are not really necessarily what China was or is or will be.

1:45.3

China's borders have changed dramatically over more than 2,000 years

1:50.2

and now include, for example, Tibet, Xinjiang and the like in the Mongolia.

1:56.4

So it's incorporating many, many ethnic and linguistic groups.

2:01.3

And it hasn't really, in recent times,

2:03.7

sought to expand its territory.

2:07.8

It has talked about reclaiming territories

2:10.5

which it thought were historically Chinese,

2:14.4

which are now largely the Russian Far East, including Gladivostok and the

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