S8 Ep320: SHOW SCHEDULE 1-14-25 China Urges Canada to Break from US Influence. Guests: CHARLES BURTON and GORDON CHANG. China is pressuring Canada to adopt "strategic autonomy" and distance itself from US influence as PM Mark Carney visits Beijing. Despite myths
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🗓️ 15 January 2026
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SHOW SCHEDULE
1-14-25
1920 SALT RIVER
China Urges Canada to Break from US Influence. Guests: CHARLES BURTON and GORDON CHANG. China is pressuring Canada to adopt "strategic autonomy" and distance itself from US influence as PM Mark Carney visits Beijing. Despite myths of economic salvation through Chinese trade, experts argue Canada'sexports to China remain minimal. Concerns persist regarding fentanyl production, Arctic neglect, and Chineseespionage.
China's "Hollow Power" in Iran and Venezuela. Guests: GORDON CHANG and CHARLES BURTON. China's influence appears limited as it fails to substantively support struggling allies like Venezuela's Maduro or the Iranian regime. While China remains a major purchaser of discounted Iranian oil, it has proven unable to dictate events against US pressure. Experts describe China as a "hollow power."
Trump's Iran Tariff Threat and China Trade Rift. Guest: ALAN TONELSON. President Trump's threat of a 25% tariff on any country trading with Iran significantly impacts China, which values this trade for political and symbolic reasons. China has already failed to meet its previous trade obligations, including soybean purchases and rare earth export licenses. Europe remains economically vulnerable.
Electricity Costs, AI Demand, and Venezuela's Oil Reality. Guest: BUD WEINSTEIN. Rising US electricity prices, up 30-35% over five years, are driven by data center and AI growth alongside infrastructure underinvestment. Meanwhile, Venezuelan oil is deemed impractical for US demand due to high extraction costs and political instability. Rebuilding these fields would require massive, high-risk investments.
Chinese Sinister Intentions in Cuba and Nicaragua. Guest: STEVE YATES. China maintains a significant presence in Cuba, utilizing the island for intelligence gathering and signals facilities targeted at the United States. As Venezuela's oil subsidies to Cuba potentially end, the island faces economic collapse. The US may utilize travel restrictions and economic pressure as leverage.
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Venezuela's Power Vacuum and the Path Forward. Guest: MARY KISSEL, Executive Vice President at Stephens Incorporated. Mary Kissel discusses the "unfinished" state of Venezuela following the removal of Maduro, characterizing the remaining leadership as "thugs" and "gangs" focused on drug money. She explores the roles of Cuba, regional neighbors like Colombia and Brazil, and the Vatican's new moral leadership in the region.
Iran in Transition: Assessing a Regime on the Brink. Guest: MARY KISSEL, Executive Vice President at Stephens Incorporated. John Batchelor and Mary Kissel analyze reports of Iran's potential collapse, citing internet blackouts and regime brutality. They discuss potential U.S. interventions, such as kinetic strikes or Starlinkaccess, and evaluate whether Reza Pahlavi is a credible transitional leader amidst concerns of the country breaking into ethnic factions.
The Intellectual Factions of the "New Right". Guest: PETER BERKOWITZ, Hoover Institution Senior Fellow. Peter Berkowitz outlines the fracturing of the "New Right" into factions like national conservatives and post-liberals. Referencing Laura K. Field's book, Furious Minds, he notes these groups often reject Lockeanprinciples in the Declaration of Independence. However, he distinguishes these intellectuals from typical, non-ideological Trump voters.
The New Right's Radical Rejection of Traditional Republicanism. Guest: PETER BERKOWITZ, Hoover Institution Senior Fellow. Berkowitz contrasts the New Right's desire for state-led social reform with the Republican Party's traditional focus on liberty and limited government. He discusses Michael Anton's views on the "right of revolution" and warns that attacking classical liberalism risks eroding essential protections against bigotry and persecution in America.
Plunging Russian Oil Prices and the Impact of Global Sanctions. Guest: MICHAEL BERNSTAM. Russian oil prices are dropping significantly, with some major brands selling between $34 and $35 per barrel. Westernsanctions and global supply gluts allow buyers like China and India to extract massive discounts. Future stability in Iran could further increase competition, driving Russian revenues and taxes even lower.
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The China-Iran Partnership: Oil, Surveillance, and Regional Stability. Guest: JACK BURNHAM. Chinamaintains a pragmatic "partnership" with Iran, focused on extracting discounted oil. Beijing provides surveillance technology to help the Iranian regime suppress internal protests while officially calling for stability. Additionally, Chinese or Russian technology is suspected of disrupting Starlink satellites to hinder military communications.
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| 0:00.0 | Good evening. The show begins tonight with China on our minds. Gordon Chang and Charles Burton |
| 0:07.0 | join me to comment on the handshake in Beijing between Mark Carney, the Prime Minister of Canada, |
| 0:14.2 | and Xi Jinping. What is it that Canada believes can come of cordiality in Beijing? |
| 0:22.5 | Charles gives us the backstory here. |
| 0:26.2 | Previous prime ministers of Canada have thought grace and politeness and attention would lead to a mutuality. |
| 0:37.1 | China would buy Canadian products. Canada would buy Chinese products. |
| 0:42.6 | Canada is looking to replace, or at least offset, the loss of exchange with the United States because of tariffs. |
| 0:51.3 | However, Charles reminds in Gordon Augments that Canada was disappointed in previous |
| 0:58.7 | instances of seeking accommodation with China and that there's no reason to believe it'll be |
| 1:05.3 | different this time. China will sell and then raise tariffs and block and ignore Canadian goods. |
| 1:13.3 | That is the way China conducts its business. |
| 1:15.7 | That is why the trade imbalances are the highest ever, $1.2 trillion. |
| 1:21.3 | The U.S. declined in buying from China, but China pumped up the European numbers and the Southeast Asian numbers. |
| 1:33.7 | And we can continue to say the same thing about China. It believes that it can solve its problems by more exports. |
| 1:42.6 | The consumer market does not respond to encouragement by the central government. |
| 1:49.9 | The real estate market is in complete denial, has been for years. The buildings are empty. |
| 1:57.3 | They're not even accommodated with windows. The winter blows right through. |
| 2:04.4 | People sometimes build campfires in the apartments that they have purchased. |
| 2:09.9 | I've been told China is not healthy, and it's making poor decisions, |
| 2:21.1 | pouring all of its rhetoric into high-end when it has two, 300 million people in poverty, |
| 2:26.4 | and the big cities are rife with debt that can't be easily paid off. |
| 2:33.3 | Is it a Japanification? I don't know. |
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