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🗓️ 10 January 2026
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Batts with Professor Gary Bass. |
| 0:07.4 | His new book is Judgment at Tokyo, World War II on trial in the making of modern Asia. |
| 0:13.0 | September 2nd, 1945, on the deck of the USS, Missouri, |
| 0:16.9 | chosen, of course, because the president of the United States is from Missouri. |
| 0:21.4 | The signatures of the nine allies together, led by General McArthur, and the signatures of |
| 0:29.4 | Japanese representatives, a man in uniform, a man in a top hat, and that is the end of the |
| 0:37.0 | war, as we understand it. However, it's the end of the war, as we understand it. |
| 0:39.3 | However, it's the beginning of the challenge of what to do about that language from the Potsdam Declaration, all war criminals. |
| 0:48.3 | Most importantly, we now begin what you'd have to say is historical editing. Hirahito is the emperor of Japan. |
| 0:57.9 | Douglas MacArthur knows this. During the firebombing of Tokyo, 9 and 10, it is the record that |
| 1:06.2 | Curtis LeMay chose not to bomb the palace, not to attempt to kill the emperor. |
| 1:12.2 | Why? |
| 1:13.0 | The understanding was the Japanese people need an organizing principle if there is to be an end of this war. |
| 1:20.2 | Douglas MacArthur has some of that in him as he stays away from meeting the emperor. |
| 1:24.8 | But finally, on September 27th, he has an audience with |
| 1:28.5 | Hirohito. There's a photograph in Gary's book that gives you a glimpse of what's presenting |
| 1:34.6 | everyone right now, which is what is to be done with the emperor who vouchsafed all of the |
| 1:40.0 | brutality that the professor is identifying in his book. Gary, to this day, Hirahito is |
| 1:46.9 | understood as a controversial figure in Japan, in China, in India, in the United States when we |
| 1:53.9 | come to it. What do we need to understand about his relationship with his own conduct during the war? |
| 2:02.7 | He's a fascinating figure, and the collision of him with the American occupation is remarkable |
| 2:08.6 | that even after the dropping of the atomic bombs, the Japanese inner circle says that |
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